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A green split over natural gas plant

RenewablesBiz -- Jul 5 - McClatchy-Tribune Regional News - Tom Dalton The Salem News, Beverly, Mass.
The North Shore environmental community is divided over a proposal to build a natural gas power plant at Salem Harbor Station.
Although the organizations have not taken formal positions, leaders of the green groups are coming down on opposite sides -- or at least taking distinctly different stands -- on a plan unveiled last week by Footprint Power of New Jersey.

Last Tuesday, Footprint signed a purchase-and-sale agreement to buy the 745-megawatt plant from Dominion Energy of Virginia.

Footprint said it will clean up the site, take down the smokestacks and buildings and construct a new natural gas plant at a facility that has been burning coal and oil for the past half-century. In the long run, it said it

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